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so Tim I wanted to really start off by

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asking you what sparked your initial

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interest in interest in UAP and do you

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think it is an important field of

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research

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well if it's okay and so I I have kind

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of a an odd story to that I actually saw

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a UFO in 1996 I saw what they called the

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stealth blimp and

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um you know I I don't want to go into

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the site I would say that I had a very

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close-up sighting of it but that didn't

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convince me in fact I thought that it

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was one of ours and I'd read online

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later that that was some kind of a you

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know Navy observation platform or

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something

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um so you know I I went along with

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things but I I'd always had this

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interest in physics and propulsion and

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science

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and I ended up starting American

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anti-gravity in 2002 and the focus there

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was on emerging propulsion right new

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propulsion and you know anti-gravity

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bfield Brown effect the surl effect out

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of the UK lots and lots of different

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ideas and I ended up interviewing and

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covering pretty much that entire field

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and there's massive overlap there with

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UAP

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and so being thick headed as I am I

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spent years doing this intensely and

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built a pretty good reputation and

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pretty big following you know did a lot

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of media and the more that I dug into

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UAP the less I was able to find that was

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credible you know I met a lot of the key

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figures there and I'm like I see a lot

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of smoke I don't see any fire so after

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all of that I still didn't believe in

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UAP right and so you know again I I'm

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I'm the last person to figure some

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things out I'll admit that

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um so in 2007 the Nimitz or 2017 the

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Nimitz story broke right I started to

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see those and I'm like okay yeah it

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could be the pilots could be this could

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be that and and you know I I have it

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like I've been doing a lot of Defense

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interviews

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um I do a lot of writing I work with a

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lot of scientists and the people that I

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trusted with credentials phds military

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figures folks along those lines they

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they'd stop him they said no no no

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you've got to take a close look at this

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this is something real I was like ah as

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vegans UFOs right you know that's not

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real and and so but I I did I started to

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look at it and I started to review like

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Kevin knuth and the SCU their analysis

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and I started to look at the reports and

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I did a research on the military reports

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and the more I read I was like wait a

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minute this isn't somebody who saw a

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light in the sky and said oh look it's

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aliens you know this isn't something

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that you can write off as

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for instance uh night terrors I think

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right that's what the production

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experiences have been written off as I

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said this is these are military reports

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it's highly credible they have multiple

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types of overlapping sensor data and you

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know the more that you research the more

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that you find I was like my God this is

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real you know and so for me

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it took a while to kind of come to that

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conclusion but I would say it was 2018

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2019 you know I had this

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emotional moment of this is real and in

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some ways that's still going on for me

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and and the reason I mention that is I

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have a feeling that that's something

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that's going on for most people if not

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all people you know

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um I mean there are many individuals

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perhaps yourself who are like you know

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what UFOs are real I'm cool with it but

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for the rest of us it's kind of like

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it's it's one of those cultural things

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right like yeah you know 1950s stuff in

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the air maybe maybe not I was like well

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wait a minute it's real like really real

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that's that's a lot you know so yeah no

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that's a great answer so that that's

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yeah that's kind of my back story

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hopefully that wasn't too drawn out but

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no the reason yeah I wanted to share

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that because I I know a lot of people

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have a low bar for acceptance and that's

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fine that's everybody has their own

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criteria right but for a lot of folks

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they're like you know okay somebody told

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me the UFOs are real therefore they are

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in my case it was the opposite I I had

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studied this I had a lot of knowledge I

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worked with a lot of really credible

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people and I I was just like yeah just

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dismissive you know and it was that

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overwhelming amount of evidence and I I

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would say

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um over the last couple of years it's

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just gotten more and more and more

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overwhelming so you know they're here I

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mean what else can we say and they may

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have been here for a very very long time

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yeah absolutely and and through your

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conversations that you've had in the

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past few years and

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you know there's a lot of people tend to

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theorize about the actual origin of the

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non-human intelligence do you sort of

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lean more towards any specific Theory

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whether it be extraterrestrial

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interdimensional and a whole multitude

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of others

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so I this is again I I have a I've done

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a lot of interviews I've done an

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interview series and I've heard a lot of

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different opinions and so I kind of

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benefit from that because I'm able to

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think about what different people say

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and go okay how do I feel about this and

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I'm leaning towards the alien hypothesis

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and actually I'm leaning towards machine

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intelligence but I want to put a caveat

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on that because

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um so the the idea was like for anybody

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who's watched Arthur C Clarke's 2001

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Space Odyssey that was what they call a

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Von Neumann probe it's a

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self-replicating machine right that

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travels the Galaxy and we are far more

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likely to encounter those than anything

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else and the reason why is

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okay let's just let's assume for a

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moment that you're you know you're on

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Planet X right and you want to explore

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the Galaxy

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um you can produce UFOs you know as fast

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as you want the problem is those UFOs

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have to have Crews they have to have a

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pilot right even if they're you know

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faster than light they can get there

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instantly it still takes time to explore

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the Galaxy the amount of time the amount

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of production the amount of like labor

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involved is daunting you wouldn't be

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able to explore that much at all whereas

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with the Von Neumann probe within 50

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replication events you could explore all

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400 billion stars in the Milky Way so

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it's it's just far more likely that you

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know I mean maybe there are Planet X

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aliens sending saucers out there with

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you know little guys with antennas but

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um the you know it's it's far less

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likely that we encounter them than we

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initially encounter a machine now it's

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entirely possible that the machine

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showed up and it's been here and it sent

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a signal home and said hey guess what

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there's life here you know that could be

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what's going on

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um you know and then I think another

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aspect to this is when you're talking

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about civilizations that are thousands

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millions tens of millions of years more

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advanced than ours the word machine and

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biological and intelligence those those

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terms probably don't mean the same thing

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that we tend to think you know

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so yeah so machine is probably a loose

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way to describe it I mean

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but but that's probably the best word I

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can use I guess yeah I completely

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understand where you're coming from with

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um I mean in your opinion as the

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awareness and understanding of this

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subject does increase how do you think

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it could potentially impact you know

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society and culture at Large

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well I think there's going to be a

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tremendous impact but it reminds me of I

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I've read this about earthquakes uh I'm

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in the Seattle area we don't have too

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many but we've had a couple of big ones

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we had one that was kind of sharp right

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it's like the sharp jar and it hits you

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and you're like okay wow there's an

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earthquake going on you know with with

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the UAP phenomena I think that this

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realization is more like one of those

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deep rolling Quakes and I went through

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one of those too and you know and at

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first it's like something's going on you

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know and then it takes a while and

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you're like oh okay

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I think that's the UAP phenomena and I

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think that for a couple of reasons

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um one of them is this has been a part

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of our culture for over 70 years right I

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mean the 1950s was the Heyday and it's

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been on the Silver Screen it's been on

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television you know it's been in comic

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books and magazines maybe intentionally

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maybe that was the reason that they put

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it there was to warm people up to it

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so I think that there's going to be a

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transition period for people to realize

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hey this isn't just Will Smith in

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Independence Day punching out an alien

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this is real life you know that we

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actually have neighbors that are

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visiting us and

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so I think it's going to take a while to

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kind of penetrate the popular

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Consciousness but that's probably a good

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thing you know and again maybe that was

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intended there have been all those

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rumors about Spielberg right maybe that

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was the whole plan was to warm people up

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to it so that they don't freak out yeah

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absolutely really good point do you

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think maybe the religious and

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philosophical Believers May

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uh react slightly differently to kind of

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the General Public

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you know I have heard stories this was

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back in the 1970s and 80s I guess that

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there were people in U.S Congress saying

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UFOs were demons and yeah to me that

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just seems silly it I mean it just it

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just seems silly you know

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um and it's not to be dismissive of

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religion it's just I I don't I don't

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know those seem incredibly incongruent

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with each other and I think the more

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that we learn about UAP and and these

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visitors I think the more apparent that

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will be you know I mean again I'm not

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saying that there aren't demons I just

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I'm pretty darn sure this isn't it

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yeah fair enough and do you think there

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should be some ethical considerations

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that we should consider when when it

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comes to making contact with a non-human

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intelligence I mean especially if

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they're more advanced than us

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you know it's it's an excellent point

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um we've already made contact we've

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already attempted to make contact I

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think one of the interesting things is

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they probably know us a lot better than

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we think they know us

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you know I and again I think there's

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part of an acceptance thing there

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um

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so I didn't interview with Sean Cahill

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who was part of the Nimitz crew and he

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is very close to uh Louis El zondo right

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and so apparently they both went down to

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Ensenada in Baja California which is

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near where the Nimitz event happened

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yeah and and they wanted to see if they

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could get any stories well from what he

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had told me the local fishing Village

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there

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um sees these things all the time he'd

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said that they weren't even surprised he

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said you know we were on the ship we saw

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these Tic Tacs they looked like this and

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it was the craziest thing and the

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fishermen were just like oh yeah yeah

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that happens all the time here you know

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so much so that it's a part of the local

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folklore it goes back quite a ways and

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so if that's the case you know these

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intelligences are are well aware of us

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you know they're probably aware of you

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know

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how we react how we're developing things

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like that at least some of them and and

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again maybe there are others that are a

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little bit newer but

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um it seems like they are probably

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taking greater care with us as a young

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species than than we are having little

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to no clue what's going on you know yeah

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absolutely so again another good point

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I've spoke to sort of local indigenous

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people in Colombia and to them it is

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like you said it's just part of their

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everyday life it's just accepted there's

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no Stigma there's no taboo and I think

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we forget that in in some of these

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cultures that we're immersed in so so

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yeah really interesting point there

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um I was going to ask what role do you

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think artificial intelligence and

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machine learning will play as the the

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UAP subject

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um grows I suppose with more data coming

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in do you think that that will benefit

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the the research and study of the

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subject yeah I think tremendously uh I

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mean you know as I'm sure you've seen

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this with chat GPT I think that's really

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kind of turn the world upside down you

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know that I think is another one of

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those disruptive transformative

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Technologies where we don't really know

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where it's going right and that's why

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they had that recent letter where they

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were calling for a global pause for six

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months

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um

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there's a lot of good that could come

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out of it it's just so much so fast and

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it's so unknown and so uh with UAP

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Technologies for instance I I didn't

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interview with Don tadaya uh a few weeks

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ago and he is a python programmer and a

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data scientist he pulled the new Fork

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the National UFO Center reporting

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database uh 80 000 records he was able

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to use sixty thousand of those and he

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did tons and tons of detailed Trend

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charts on those you know and that's just

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one data set and one of the challenges

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with that data is it is not perfect data

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right the bright side is it goes back

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decades but the downside is it's you

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know a lot of human hands have touched

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it there are a lot of variables there

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there's false data all sorts of stuff

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um the same I understand is true for the

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mufon database he didn't look at that

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but that's another one and then

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as the military collects more and more

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of this data they will have these

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databases to work with also you know and

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it's entirely possible

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um that you know it may turn out that

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there are satellite photos satellite

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data radio telemetry

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um my personal belief is that the

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military probably has data that they

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don't even know they have right

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yeah absolutely and you think a

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disclosure of a non-human intelligence

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do you think it would lead to

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advancements in not only technology but

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also like medicine and energy and and

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even the way that we kind of care for

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the environment things like that

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I I hope so you know it's

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I think that our perception of

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intelligence in general is changing and

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I don't think it started with ET

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I'd read a big article about our

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relationship as human beings with dogs

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and that started to change in the 1980s

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you know before that dogs were like an

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outdoor Barnyard creature right and and

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in in the US and I think in the UK and

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probably most of Europe around that time

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they started to come endorse they became

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more a part of the family right and I

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think that was tied to Lifestyle

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differences and things like that but

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progressively I think we have admitted

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that other forms of life on Earth are a

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lot more sentient capable of a lot more

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emotion right a lot more alive than we

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believed in the past you know in the

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past it was kind of like okay well it's

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these dumb creatures and we use them for

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food and that's all they're good for you

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know and now we're starting to see okay

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they they're missing some of our

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cognitive abilities but but they still

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have souls in that sense you know

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um they still have emotions they they

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still have wants and needs just not

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quite at the same level we do

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and and that's just life right here on

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Earth you know and as we accept the fact

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that we're not alone which isn't

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surprising again with 400 billion stars

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even if only a tiny fraction of those

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are capable of Life there could be

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thousands potentially millions of

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civilizations out there you know

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and

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It ultimately does become a numbers game

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but you know starting with such a vast

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number of potential options

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um it's likely that there are creatures

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out there and it's possible that they've

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encountered us you know it definitely

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seems that way I mean the weight of the

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evidence points to it yeah absolutely

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yeah a word that's thrown around a lot

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with it with the UAP subject is

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consciousness do you do you have any

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kind of way of connecting Consciousness

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to the UAP subject yourself

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I

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be going way off track right but it's

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fine

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um so starting last year I I went

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gangbusters on UAP interviews right I

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started interviewing subject matter

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experts and

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um people who are close to that

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phenomena especially Witnesses

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especially people who have seen them or

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interacted in some way

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they they come back to Consciousness

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right and uh they use it as a code word

449
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for basically psychic events but like uh

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Skinwalker Ranch the same thing you know

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and in fact when I did an interview with

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Gary Nolan and he had said the same

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thing he's like it comes back to

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Consciousness and he's like what the

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heck does that have to UFO have to do

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with UFOs so you know I I don't know but

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I'd like to find out so I I started

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doing some Consciousness interviews and

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what I've seen is there there is a

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connection uh in the people who are

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close to it and I don't know why I have

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no idea why

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um what I've wondered is

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um

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if there are more physical laws some

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kind of new physics that we're not aware

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of it appears that there is I did

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interviews with the global Consciousness

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project

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um and they they actually have 25 years

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of data where when major news events hit

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the headlines

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um these random number generators the

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quantum based number generators register

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it right and and so like September 11th

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was a major ping or the invasion of Iraq

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things like that you know and so there's

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an indication that there's something

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more there and I guess my thought is

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that again if these intelligences are

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tens of thousands or millions of years

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more advanced than us

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they probably operate in that area or at

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least use that area and maybe that's the

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connection

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yeah fair enough absolutely do you think

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maybe there's a chance that the the

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phenomenon isn't necessarily a singular

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phenomena that it could represent

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multiple phenomena

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yes absolutely

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I I avoid thinking about that too much

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because it will hurt my brain to be

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honest it's one of those you know and

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people have said that they've said well

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you know we're being visited by multiple

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species right and

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um I mean I guess if you want to

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take it a little bit farther out there's

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what they call the zoo hypothesis which

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is basically the the Star Trek prime

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directive right that you know aliens

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show up and they're like oh okay yeah

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these humans aren't that advanced we'll

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uh we'll study them but you know for

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God's sake don't interact with them you

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know and

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if that's the case yeah we could be

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visited by many many different groups or

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species or planets or whatever you might

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call it

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um I try not to think about that too

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much because it's one of those things

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that is just like instant headache right

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I mean you know and and in terms of

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studying it then it makes it nearly

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impossible you know it's you know why do

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they have 25 different types of ships

519
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and sightings well because there are six

520
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thousand types of aliens so that's just

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what came through this week you know I

522
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I don't know no that's fair enough

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um is there a certain way that you

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address any kind of skepticism and

525
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criticism from those who question the

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legitimacy of your interest in the UFO

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subject I haven't encountered any of

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that recently

529
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strangely enough maybe it's not strange

530
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um you know I I have met many people

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um I I mean I I don't necessarily

532
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proselytize about UFOs I don't talk

533
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about it that much my personal life you

534
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know but

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um I have met many people who are like

536
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well for instance I was at a girls

537
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soccer game talking to one of the dads

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you know nice friendly guy and he said

539
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well what have you been doing lately

540
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well I mean you know podcasting and

541
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doing research and things like that oh

542
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what have you been following I said well

543
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I've been following the euap story what

544
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what UAP hips like UFOs they're real and

545
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he's like UFOs really you know so there

546
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are a lot of people out there who seem

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to have just completely missed it you

548
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know that I mean hey by the way the US

549
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:29,880
government has a task force

550
00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:32,400
investigating this and you know and

551
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:35,520
I mean you know and and then there there

552
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:38,159
are also some very muddy waters in terms

553
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:41,039
of disclosure right and I'm sure you

554
00:22:46,730 --> 00:22:42,960
would agree with that you know it has

555
00:22:49,130 --> 00:22:46,740
disclosure happened or not or is it a

556
00:22:51,529 --> 00:22:49,140
process where are we with that that's

557
00:22:53,450 --> 00:22:51,539
that's interesting you know yeah

558
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:53,460
absolutely and and you mentioned earlier

559
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:56,400
until the 2017 the New York Times how I

560
00:23:01,250 --> 00:22:58,799
almost kind of seemed like a big sea

561
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:01,260
change in in the UFO world and you know

562
00:23:04,850 --> 00:23:03,120
since then we've had three consecutive

563
00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:04,860
years of legislation in the National

564
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:08,159
Defense authorization acts we've had uh

565
00:23:12,010 --> 00:23:11,039
two public UAP reports so I just

566
00:23:14,330 --> 00:23:12,020
wondered

567
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:14,340
what do you think about all of that you

568
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:16,080
know that the government after being

569
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:18,480
involved in this subject for 75 plus

570
00:23:23,870 --> 00:23:20,640
years are suddenly now

571
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:23,880
taking it seriously and wanting to be

572
00:23:28,490 --> 00:23:25,440
transparent about it how do you feel

573
00:23:29,870 --> 00:23:28,500
about all that well I I have a lot of I

574
00:23:31,370 --> 00:23:29,880
have a lot of thoughts about the

575
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:31,380
government again I I have a lot of

576
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:33,120
Defense connections and so I know that

577
00:23:38,810 --> 00:23:35,280
Community very well

578
00:23:40,669 --> 00:23:38,820
um I would say in general as a rule

579
00:23:43,130 --> 00:23:40,679
um that you know it is not the big

580
00:23:45,710 --> 00:23:43,140
monolithic energy looking to squash

581
00:23:48,110 --> 00:23:45,720
information that people think you know I

582
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:48,120
mean any government is a collection of

583
00:23:52,490 --> 00:23:50,880
people there's turnover uh that's one of

584
00:23:55,130 --> 00:23:52,500
the things that people forget for

585
00:23:56,930 --> 00:23:55,140
instance a lot of the Cold War era folks

586
00:23:59,690 --> 00:23:56,940
that probably knew this a little bit

587
00:24:01,010 --> 00:23:59,700
better are gone today's people are

588
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:01,020
really they came up in the information

589
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:03,360
technology space you know like myself

590
00:24:07,610 --> 00:24:06,240
they started out with internet stuff and

591
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:07,620
so

592
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:09,360
um the way they approach problems is

593
00:24:13,250 --> 00:24:10,799
through information and they're not

594
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:13,260
focused on UFOs they're focused on you

595
00:24:19,310 --> 00:24:16,080
know is Russia hacking us you know so I

596
00:24:21,470 --> 00:24:19,320
would imagine that for the vast majority

597
00:24:23,210 --> 00:24:21,480
of people in government

598
00:24:25,850 --> 00:24:23,220
um this UFO thing is just as

599
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:25,860
disconcerting as it is for you know the

600
00:24:28,789 --> 00:24:28,080
average person on the street

601
00:24:33,230 --> 00:24:28,799
um

602
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:33,240
some of which I can repeat some of which

603
00:24:38,990 --> 00:24:36,960
I can't but I I would say that um the

604
00:24:41,450 --> 00:24:39,000
most credible rumors I've heard from

605
00:24:44,029 --> 00:24:41,460
some very high ranking people are that

606
00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:44,039
the people who should be studying this

607
00:24:48,169 --> 00:24:46,320
who are studying this don't really know

608
00:24:50,029 --> 00:24:48,179
a heck of a lot more than you or I do

609
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:50,039
they're just trying to figure things out

610
00:24:54,049 --> 00:24:51,840
and they've been caught off guard as

611
00:24:56,810 --> 00:24:54,059
much as anybody else

612
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:56,820
um so you know in in terms of the

613
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:58,320
government

614
00:25:02,930 --> 00:25:01,200
um not surprisingly they you know this

615
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:02,940
they've they've treated this like an

616
00:25:08,090 --> 00:25:05,520
exception I guess and maybe rightfully

617
00:25:09,950 --> 00:25:08,100
so for decades you know pilot comes in

618
00:25:11,450 --> 00:25:09,960
and says hey I saw something strange and

619
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:11,460
they're like okay you know how much have

620
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:14,880
you had to drink you know yeah well

621
00:25:19,730 --> 00:25:17,520
so you know they've been they've been

622
00:25:21,230 --> 00:25:19,740
sweeping under the rug and now they have

623
00:25:23,210 --> 00:25:21,240
to deal with it and I think one of the

624
00:25:25,370 --> 00:25:23,220
problems is they don't entirely know

625
00:25:27,230 --> 00:25:25,380
what they have to deal with either yeah

626
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:27,240
yeah I mean there are there are certain

627
00:25:30,649 --> 00:25:29,520
incredible people such as Gary Nolan

628
00:25:32,029 --> 00:25:30,659
like you mentioned earlier that are

629
00:25:35,149 --> 00:25:32,039
talking about whistleblowers coming

630
00:25:37,070 --> 00:25:35,159
forward speaking to Congress speaking to

631
00:25:40,010 --> 00:25:37,080
to Arrow about

632
00:25:42,649 --> 00:25:40,020
potential crash retrieval programs what

633
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:42,659
are your thoughts on that side of things

634
00:25:48,110 --> 00:25:46,320
I don't know I don't know

635
00:25:50,269 --> 00:25:48,120
um I guess what what I could tell you

636
00:25:52,909 --> 00:25:50,279
it's no surprise is

637
00:25:54,590 --> 00:25:52,919
um the most credible book I have friends

638
00:25:57,470 --> 00:25:54,600
in the Air Force who have said that it

639
00:26:00,830 --> 00:25:57,480
sounds sounds legit is the Corso book

640
00:26:03,169 --> 00:26:00,840
right which everybody has read and

641
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:03,179
um you know I I've met people who have

642
00:26:06,409 --> 00:26:05,039
worked in areas like that who have read

643
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:06,419
it who said yep that sounds like

644
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:10,080
government but at the same time he

645
00:26:13,370 --> 00:26:12,000
actually did work in those areas so if

646
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:13,380
he was going to write a book about what

647
00:26:16,909 --> 00:26:14,880
it's like to work in the Air Force and

648
00:26:18,710 --> 00:26:16,919
the Pentagon well yeah he was there so

649
00:26:20,269 --> 00:26:18,720
he would know

650
00:26:24,169 --> 00:26:20,279
um you know that doesn't necessarily

651
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:24,179
make it true it's difficult to know what

652
00:26:29,210 --> 00:26:26,640
has kind of come and gone in the past I

653
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:29,220
guess uh you know I I did an interview

654
00:26:34,730 --> 00:26:32,159
with Brent ziarnick and that's on my

655
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:34,740
channel and he dug through the air force

656
00:26:40,130 --> 00:26:37,679
archives and he found tons and tons and

657
00:26:42,590 --> 00:26:40,140
tons of stuff about UFOs but he didn't

658
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:42,600
find anything that's not public you know

659
00:26:47,630 --> 00:26:45,840
so it's it's all out there and one of

660
00:26:49,850 --> 00:26:47,640
the things that he had mentioned he was

661
00:26:52,430 --> 00:26:49,860
able just because of his role and his

662
00:26:55,549 --> 00:26:52,440
Rank and things like that he was able to

663
00:26:57,409 --> 00:26:55,559
look at the uncensored unredacted

664
00:27:00,890 --> 00:26:57,419
versions of things that are in foia

665
00:27:03,230 --> 00:27:00,900
reports and even then he said very

666
00:27:04,909 --> 00:27:03,240
little is redacted that isn't out there

667
00:27:08,090 --> 00:27:04,919
and the steps redacted wouldn't be

668
00:27:10,190 --> 00:27:08,100
interesting to anybody you know so

669
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:10,200
you know it's

670
00:27:15,409 --> 00:27:13,919
yeah there are so many unknowns I would

671
00:27:18,169 --> 00:27:15,419
say at this point

672
00:27:20,330 --> 00:27:18,179
um everyone is asking the big questions

673
00:27:22,130 --> 00:27:20,340
and I think that's a good thing you know

674
00:27:24,110 --> 00:27:22,140
it kind of gives us an opportunity to

675
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:24,120
maybe restart on this

676
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,919
yeah that's a good point I think I think

677
00:27:30,169 --> 00:27:27,360
what we really need is just that

678
00:27:32,090 --> 00:27:30,179
breakthrough big piece of evidence that

679
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:32,100
really does change the kind of face of

680
00:27:35,210 --> 00:27:34,080
it all and moves us on to that next step

681
00:27:38,090 --> 00:27:35,220
so

682
00:27:40,370 --> 00:27:38,100
yeah I think it's ongoing you know one

683
00:27:42,529 --> 00:27:40,380
thing that interested me also was

684
00:27:45,230 --> 00:27:42,539
um Sean Kirkpatrick right Dr Sean

685
00:27:47,390 --> 00:27:45,240
Kirkpatrick who's in charge of Arrow he

686
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:47,400
co-authored a paper a couple of months

687
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:50,640
ago with Avi Loeb and it was about a

688
00:27:56,570 --> 00:27:53,279
moamoa and they talked about the

689
00:27:59,090 --> 00:27:56,580
possibility of extraterrestrial contact

690
00:28:00,529 --> 00:27:59,100
and you know could the could the

691
00:28:02,090 --> 00:28:00,539
interstellar asteroid have actually been

692
00:28:03,890 --> 00:28:02,100
some kind of a transport vehicle or

693
00:28:05,450 --> 00:28:03,900
something into collect you know coming

694
00:28:08,690 --> 00:28:05,460
in to collect data or something like

695
00:28:10,730 --> 00:28:08,700
that and the paper itself was was

696
00:28:13,789 --> 00:28:10,740
interesting uh you know folks can look

697
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:13,799
that up pretty easily online but

698
00:28:20,269 --> 00:28:16,799
it also seemed like a form of signaling

699
00:28:22,730 --> 00:28:20,279
to me that the the man who was in charge

700
00:28:24,830 --> 00:28:22,740
of that program would put his name on

701
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:24,840
something like that you know it doesn't

702
00:28:30,049 --> 00:28:27,360
necessarily mean that that he believes

703
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:30,059
so to speak but I think to me it was a

704
00:28:34,610 --> 00:28:32,159
signal that he's open to the possibility

705
00:28:37,610 --> 00:28:34,620
you know he's not gonna immediately

706
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:37,620
clamp down and say this isn't real

707
00:28:43,370 --> 00:28:41,279
um and I I think in the hearing a lot of

708
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:43,380
people were worried about that because

709
00:28:47,330 --> 00:28:45,360
they see them asking questions right he

710
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:47,340
played a couple of videos and he said

711
00:28:52,430 --> 00:28:49,440
this one we can't identify this one we

712
00:28:54,350 --> 00:28:52,440
can identify look it's a plane you know

713
00:28:56,210 --> 00:28:54,360
um although what what is interesting in

714
00:28:58,610 --> 00:28:56,220
that hearing what the video that he

715
00:29:01,010 --> 00:28:58,620
played they couldn't identify was I

716
00:29:04,430 --> 00:29:01,020
understand that was the mosul sphere

717
00:29:07,310 --> 00:29:04,440
which is one of many reported sightings

718
00:29:09,950 --> 00:29:07,320
of those spheres apparently uh those

719
00:29:11,870 --> 00:29:09,960
predator drones have spotted several of

720
00:29:13,789 --> 00:29:11,880
those in the Middle East over the last

721
00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:13,799
few years so

722
00:29:19,310 --> 00:29:15,840
yeah that's interesting it seems that we

723
00:29:21,230 --> 00:29:19,320
have a a orb seems to be the the flavor

724
00:29:23,570 --> 00:29:21,240
of the the year maybe let's say you know

725
00:29:25,850 --> 00:29:23,580
we've moved on from triangles and Tic

726
00:29:27,470 --> 00:29:25,860
Tacs and sources so I find that quite

727
00:29:29,570 --> 00:29:27,480
fascinating that is we're now into this

728
00:29:31,610 --> 00:29:29,580
this realm of orbs

729
00:29:33,950 --> 00:29:31,620
I I've wondered if maybe those are

730
00:29:36,169 --> 00:29:33,960
surveillance probes for the Tic Tac

731
00:29:38,690 --> 00:29:36,179
right like the Tic Tac is the mothership

732
00:29:40,370 --> 00:29:38,700
or something along those lines and and

733
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,380
the orbs are just little surveillance

734
00:29:44,269 --> 00:29:42,240
drones maybe because they're less

735
00:29:46,970 --> 00:29:44,279
noticeable it just sends it out to you

736
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:46,980
know record data or something

737
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:50,720
um yeah it could be it could be why not

738
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:53,520
well and there so there was just that

739
00:30:00,409 --> 00:29:55,440
report that came out again I think this

740
00:30:02,149 --> 00:30:00,419
was last month uh like mid-may about

741
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:02,159
um I forgot the name of the ship but

742
00:30:04,850 --> 00:30:03,600
this was around where the Nimitz was

743
00:30:08,750 --> 00:30:04,860
you're probably familiar with this one

744
00:30:11,810 --> 00:30:08,760
right this was the 2019 show counter

745
00:30:14,029 --> 00:30:11,820
yeah and and they just had the radar

746
00:30:15,710 --> 00:30:14,039
sensor data that was leaked that just

747
00:30:18,590 --> 00:30:15,720
hit the news

748
00:30:20,029 --> 00:30:18,600
and so that was more of these orbs it

749
00:30:22,610 --> 00:30:20,039
appears

750
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:22,620
running around where the Nimitz was yeah

751
00:30:25,970 --> 00:30:24,240
it does seem strange that these These

752
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:25,980
are occurring and more people would call

753
00:30:30,289 --> 00:30:28,559
hot spots I suppose yeah it's

754
00:30:31,789 --> 00:30:30,299
fascinating

755
00:30:34,370 --> 00:30:31,799
one thing I wanted to bring up is that

756
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:34,380
by the time this interview goes Live on

757
00:30:38,510 --> 00:30:36,000
YouTube which will be tomorrow Wednesday

758
00:30:41,570 --> 00:30:38,520
the 31st we'd have just had the the

759
00:30:44,029 --> 00:30:41,580
latest NASA meeting on unidentified

760
00:30:46,610 --> 00:30:44,039
anomalous phenomena yeah independent

761
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:46,620
study team uh with yeah I think it's

762
00:30:51,289 --> 00:30:48,720
about a four hour

763
00:30:52,850 --> 00:30:51,299
meeting have you been following sort of

764
00:30:57,049 --> 00:30:52,860
the work NASA's been doing over the past

765
00:30:59,510 --> 00:30:57,059
sort of nine to 12 months not closely no

766
00:31:02,630 --> 00:30:59,520
uh okay NASA seems to be trailing the

767
00:31:04,669 --> 00:31:02,640
military on this you know and and they

768
00:31:05,810 --> 00:31:04,679
do have an independent effort I I hope

769
00:31:07,549 --> 00:31:05,820
that

770
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:07,559
um they're able to do you know the best

771
00:31:12,769 --> 00:31:10,320
job possible but I I don't have any big

772
00:31:15,169 --> 00:31:12,779
expectations there I'm just not sure

773
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:15,179
what they have to work with you know it

774
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:17,039
would be nice for them to go back

775
00:31:21,470 --> 00:31:19,200
through Mission footage and look for

776
00:31:22,370 --> 00:31:21,480
some of these anomalies but at the same

777
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:22,380
time

778
00:31:26,029 --> 00:31:24,240
um a lot of things have been spotted in

779
00:31:28,250 --> 00:31:26,039
those and people have said that's UFO

780
00:31:29,870 --> 00:31:28,260
and it turns out that it's you know it's

781
00:31:33,049 --> 00:31:29,880
a piece of foam insulation or something

782
00:31:34,730 --> 00:31:33,059
so even if NASA goes hunting for it they

783
00:31:37,250 --> 00:31:34,740
may not find it or they may not be able

784
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:37,260
to identify it yeah I completely agree

785
00:31:41,090 --> 00:31:39,360
and I think the purpose of the the

786
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:41,100
meeting tomorrow is to sort of say

787
00:31:46,430 --> 00:31:43,200
whether they are going to go forward and

788
00:31:48,590 --> 00:31:46,440
do a full study or not so personally I'm

789
00:31:50,990 --> 00:31:48,600
not expecting much for come to come from

790
00:31:52,490 --> 00:31:51,000
the meeting other than a yes going

791
00:31:54,830 --> 00:31:52,500
forward we are going to do more work

792
00:31:57,409 --> 00:31:54,840
rather than a we don't think it's worth

793
00:31:59,930 --> 00:31:57,419
it which would be highly disappointing

794
00:32:01,730 --> 00:31:59,940
well one of the things that also

795
00:32:04,850 --> 00:32:01,740
interests me and this goes to I think a

796
00:32:06,889 --> 00:32:04,860
much larger issue right uh somewhat in

797
00:32:10,130 --> 00:32:06,899
the UK perhaps but absolutely in the

798
00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:10,140
United States uh which is I think that

799
00:32:17,210 --> 00:32:15,360
the UFO the UAP story uh is it's not the

800
00:32:19,310 --> 00:32:17,220
only one but I think that this is one of

801
00:32:22,430 --> 00:32:19,320
the biggest stories that goes to trust

802
00:32:24,830 --> 00:32:22,440
in government you know and

803
00:32:27,710 --> 00:32:24,840
the reason I mention that now is you'd

804
00:32:30,649 --> 00:32:27,720
mention NASA but Gary McKinnon has said

805
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:30,659
Point Blank that NASA has a history of

806
00:32:35,330 --> 00:32:33,360
you know digitally airbrushing out UFOs

807
00:32:37,250 --> 00:32:35,340
from pictures

808
00:32:39,769 --> 00:32:37,260
um and so it would be interesting to see

809
00:32:42,830 --> 00:32:39,779
them go through and say hey have we been

810
00:32:46,370 --> 00:32:42,840
editing photos you know

811
00:32:48,889 --> 00:32:46,380
um I think that's important because this

812
00:32:52,250 --> 00:32:48,899
is one of the few opportunities that

813
00:32:55,730 --> 00:32:52,260
these organizations have to you know

814
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:55,740
restore trust in government I mean

815
00:33:00,049 --> 00:32:58,080
again this kind of goes off the UAP

816
00:33:02,149 --> 00:33:00,059
track a little bit but I think that that

817
00:33:05,149 --> 00:33:02,159
in a weird way that's that's a larger

818
00:33:06,590 --> 00:33:05,159
issue than UAP UAP it looks like they're

819
00:33:08,029 --> 00:33:06,600
here they've been here they're they're

820
00:33:10,970 --> 00:33:08,039
probably not causing trouble they're

821
00:33:13,789 --> 00:33:10,980
probably just studying us right but

822
00:33:16,490 --> 00:33:13,799
um the fact that our elected

823
00:33:18,769 --> 00:33:16,500
representatives are hiding that

824
00:33:22,190 --> 00:33:18,779
that's that's a problem that's a big

825
00:33:24,889 --> 00:33:22,200
problem and the fact that everyone knows

826
00:33:26,930 --> 00:33:24,899
that and over the last 70 years again

827
00:33:28,970 --> 00:33:26,940
that's one of several different things

828
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:28,980
that has eroded public trust in

829
00:33:33,289 --> 00:33:31,200
government you know

830
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:33,299
um and then it leads to other questions

831
00:33:38,269 --> 00:33:36,720
also I mean for instance like we were

832
00:33:40,970 --> 00:33:38,279
talking about Christianity and demons

833
00:33:43,009 --> 00:33:40,980
earlier well if the second coming of

834
00:33:45,289 --> 00:33:43,019
Christ happened would we know about it

835
00:33:46,909 --> 00:33:45,299
or would it get covered up

836
00:33:48,169 --> 00:33:46,919
good point

837
00:33:53,870 --> 00:33:48,179
yeah

838
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:53,880
think that there's a major trust in

839
00:33:59,149 --> 00:33:57,120
government issue I mean you know

840
00:34:01,370 --> 00:33:59,159
government is it's in in the United

841
00:34:03,230 --> 00:34:01,380
States it's for the People by the people

842
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:03,240
right

843
00:34:08,690 --> 00:34:06,960
um so who is making these decisions to

844
00:34:11,629 --> 00:34:08,700
you know to hide things

845
00:34:14,510 --> 00:34:11,639
and I again I don't think that today's

846
00:34:16,730 --> 00:34:14,520
government officials necessarily even

847
00:34:19,490 --> 00:34:16,740
know I think that there's

848
00:34:22,369 --> 00:34:19,500
a long history of decisions that are

849
00:34:25,369 --> 00:34:22,379
made I think part of it needs to be

850
00:34:27,889 --> 00:34:25,379
um I think that there needs to be

851
00:34:29,690 --> 00:34:27,899
there needs to be accountability I think

852
00:34:32,510 --> 00:34:29,700
there also needs to be some historical

853
00:34:34,609 --> 00:34:32,520
Reckoning there right yeah and I I know

854
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:34,619
that the US government has started to do

855
00:34:39,470 --> 00:34:37,679
this on other issues uh in in many other

856
00:34:41,389 --> 00:34:39,480
historical ways the British government

857
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:41,399
has done this right they've gone back

858
00:34:45,770 --> 00:34:43,440
through and said we made decisions you

859
00:34:48,649 --> 00:34:45,780
know sometimes in the 1600s that weren't

860
00:34:50,450 --> 00:34:48,659
the best and and you know the Canadian

861
00:34:53,389 --> 00:34:50,460
government has done that with regards to

862
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:53,399
the aboriginals so it it's one of those

863
00:34:57,770 --> 00:34:54,960
things where

864
00:34:59,810 --> 00:34:57,780
um people make mistakes sometimes those

865
00:35:03,050 --> 00:34:59,820
mistakes are compounded sometimes

866
00:35:04,910 --> 00:35:03,060
they're based on policies but

867
00:35:07,790 --> 00:35:04,920
um but at the same time if they want to

868
00:35:10,490 --> 00:35:07,800
restore public trust you know there

869
00:35:11,569 --> 00:35:10,500
needs to be more openness and more

870
00:35:14,210 --> 00:35:11,579
honesty

871
00:35:16,609 --> 00:35:14,220
and I'm not entirely sure if we're

872
00:35:21,050 --> 00:35:16,619
seeing that now for instance the the

873
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:21,060
classified reports right so we have a

874
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:22,800
you know a private we have a public

875
00:35:27,770 --> 00:35:25,440
report which is what 16 pages long I

876
00:35:30,829 --> 00:35:27,780
think six pages long and then we have a

877
00:35:33,470 --> 00:35:30,839
classified report you know and then

878
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:33,480
senators and congressmen walk out of the

879
00:35:38,270 --> 00:35:35,760
report room stunned

880
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:38,280
you know what what what is it that we're

881
00:35:42,109 --> 00:35:40,079
not hearing

882
00:35:44,030 --> 00:35:42,119
and why yeah why are we not allowed that

883
00:35:45,470 --> 00:35:44,040
information and I agree with what you

884
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:45,480
said I think as well it's just it's

885
00:35:50,990 --> 00:35:48,480
never never too late to change and start

886
00:35:52,730 --> 00:35:51,000
to bring transparency and trust back to

887
00:35:55,069 --> 00:35:52,740
the general public no matter what

888
00:35:58,730 --> 00:35:55,079
country it is so again some some great

889
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:58,740
points there yeah well again the reason

890
00:36:04,370 --> 00:36:01,440
I mention that is you know I I think

891
00:36:07,250 --> 00:36:04,380
this goes to uh the last election right

892
00:36:10,490 --> 00:36:07,260
in the U.S the 2020 election

893
00:36:13,970 --> 00:36:10,500
um my my view is no matter what side

894
00:36:15,290 --> 00:36:13,980
you're on half the population thinks the

895
00:36:18,770 --> 00:36:15,300
other half of the population was

896
00:36:21,710 --> 00:36:18,780
cheating right so yeah and and so

897
00:36:25,490 --> 00:36:21,720
there's a major Schism there and it all

898
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:25,500
goes back to trust in government and

899
00:36:31,370 --> 00:36:28,320
you know the the UAP phenomena the UFO

900
00:36:34,609 --> 00:36:31,380
area is one thing that they could score

901
00:36:37,490 --> 00:36:34,619
an absolute home run with and if they

902
00:36:38,990 --> 00:36:37,500
don't soon that trust may be eroded

903
00:36:42,530 --> 00:36:39,000
completely

904
00:36:44,690 --> 00:36:42,540
so yeah yeah absolutely now I'd like to

905
00:36:46,609 --> 00:36:44,700
get into a bit of the sort of talk on

906
00:36:48,410 --> 00:36:46,619
propulsion if that's okay with you now

907
00:36:51,050 --> 00:36:48,420
I'm not particularly scientifically

908
00:36:54,589 --> 00:36:51,060
minded so you'll have to bear with me

909
00:36:58,010 --> 00:36:54,599
um but I'd like to start by we've talked

910
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:58,020
about these uh objects UAP being you

911
00:37:02,210 --> 00:36:59,520
know potentially non-human intelligence

912
00:37:04,690 --> 00:37:02,220
but could it be possible that some

913
00:37:07,370 --> 00:37:04,700
foreign adversarial country has

914
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:07,380
leapfrogged the rest of the world and

915
00:37:11,810 --> 00:37:09,359
this could be the you know the reason

916
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:11,820
for why we're seeing these objects no I

917
00:37:16,849 --> 00:37:14,640
I absolutely don't see that I absolutely

918
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:16,859
don't see that so I know and I have

919
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:19,760
worked with some of the top Engineers

920
00:37:25,250 --> 00:37:22,800
physicists I mean you name it top

921
00:37:27,950 --> 00:37:25,260
experts in that field

922
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:27,960
um in terms of for instance uh China

923
00:37:31,550 --> 00:37:30,240
right is Fielding a lot of new jet

924
00:37:32,270 --> 00:37:31,560
fighters

925
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:32,280
um

926
00:37:37,490 --> 00:37:35,280
they look very advanced in some ways

927
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:37,500
they are the engines on those Fighters

928
00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:39,839
are actually 30 years older than ours

929
00:37:43,550 --> 00:37:42,000
they're completely outdated so a lot of

930
00:37:44,810 --> 00:37:43,560
it is kind of smoke and mirrors right

931
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:44,820
it's

932
00:37:48,829 --> 00:37:46,800
um you know they they have a mixture of

933
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:48,839
contemporary as well as older

934
00:37:54,670 --> 00:37:51,119
Technologies but in terms of performance

935
00:37:57,890 --> 00:37:54,680
they are Way Beyond or way way behind us

936
00:37:59,690 --> 00:37:57,900
Russia is much the same and if you look

937
00:38:02,930 --> 00:37:59,700
at how those countries are actually

938
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:02,940
performing in the field right

939
00:38:09,170 --> 00:38:06,240
um uh China is very obviously I mean

940
00:38:11,150 --> 00:38:09,180
they're relying on balloons you know the

941
00:38:13,370 --> 00:38:11,160
the weather the the quote-unquote

942
00:38:15,589 --> 00:38:13,380
weather balloons so you know if China

943
00:38:16,790 --> 00:38:15,599
was going to have these spy Vehicles we

944
00:38:18,770 --> 00:38:16,800
know what they would look like because

945
00:38:21,290 --> 00:38:18,780
we were shooting a ban in February they

946
00:38:22,970 --> 00:38:21,300
would be big balloons and they would

947
00:38:24,530 --> 00:38:22,980
send them over and you know they're

948
00:38:27,050 --> 00:38:24,540
doing it to send a message as well as

949
00:38:29,390 --> 00:38:27,060
collect information uh in terms of

950
00:38:31,550 --> 00:38:29,400
Russia if I understand correctly Russia

951
00:38:34,490 --> 00:38:31,560
has made it down to I believe it's the

952
00:38:37,010 --> 00:38:34,500
t-34 tank in Ukraine

953
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:37,020
so they've exhausted all of their modern

954
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:39,599
era tanks apparently they used up all of

955
00:38:44,329 --> 00:38:42,000
their Vietnam era tanks they've made it

956
00:38:46,970 --> 00:38:44,339
back to World War II era tanks they're

957
00:38:49,069 --> 00:38:46,980
Fielding in Ukraine so neither one of

958
00:38:51,650 --> 00:38:49,079
these countries is on The Cutting Edge

959
00:38:54,770 --> 00:38:51,660
and again that's no surprise they don't

960
00:38:58,670 --> 00:38:54,780
spend as much as we do China has a much

961
00:39:01,010 --> 00:38:58,680
larger standing army but in terms of you

962
00:39:02,990 --> 00:39:01,020
know what they put into that

963
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:03,000
um they're starting from way behind

964
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:06,240
they're just not there you know so I

965
00:39:12,109 --> 00:39:08,640
don't see I don't see either of those

966
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,119
countries having any chance I I would

967
00:39:16,849 --> 00:39:14,400
call it zero percent chance of these

968
00:39:19,490 --> 00:39:16,859
being foreign and I don't see any other

969
00:39:22,430 --> 00:39:19,500
countries doing it either you know there

970
00:39:24,290 --> 00:39:22,440
aren't any tiny like you know Argentina

971
00:39:26,270 --> 00:39:24,300
or Brazil or anything like that none of

972
00:39:28,670 --> 00:39:26,280
them have the resources to put together

973
00:39:30,650 --> 00:39:28,680
this kind of technology so then then

974
00:39:32,510 --> 00:39:30,660
that leaves the question of if not them

975
00:39:34,730 --> 00:39:32,520
then who you know is it American

976
00:39:36,950 --> 00:39:34,740
Technology well

977
00:39:39,349 --> 00:39:36,960
various people have said these are these

978
00:39:41,690 --> 00:39:39,359
are U.S black programs and I've heard

979
00:39:44,569 --> 00:39:41,700
many many reasons to disagree with that

980
00:39:46,849 --> 00:39:44,579
as well one of them is these encounters

981
00:39:48,829 --> 00:39:46,859
disrupted a lot of training exercises

982
00:39:50,329 --> 00:39:48,839
and put Pilots at risk

983
00:39:52,970 --> 00:39:50,339
and so

984
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:52,980
that's that's not something even if

985
00:39:57,710 --> 00:39:55,680
these things just landed at Area 51

986
00:39:59,870 --> 00:39:57,720
that's the kind of thing that people go

987
00:40:02,030 --> 00:39:59,880
to prison for because it endangers the

988
00:40:06,410 --> 00:40:02,040
lives of U.S service members you know

989
00:40:08,990 --> 00:40:06,420
but some of the other aspects of this

990
00:40:11,930 --> 00:40:09,000
um for instance the Aguadilla sighting

991
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:11,940
we saw a vehicle enter the water I

992
00:40:17,810 --> 00:40:14,880
believe it was tracking something like

993
00:40:20,810 --> 00:40:17,820
60 to 100 miles an hour something like

994
00:40:24,589 --> 00:40:20,820
that go into the water and come back out

995
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:24,599
there appears to be shape shifting Kevin

996
00:40:30,050 --> 00:40:27,599
knuth described accelerations at

997
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,060
thousands of G's these these are things

998
00:40:36,589 --> 00:40:32,400
that are not physically possible with

999
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:36,599
any technology uh I mean people don't

1000
00:40:42,010 --> 00:40:38,880
take into account it's not just the

1001
00:40:45,530 --> 00:40:42,020
drive system like for instance

1002
00:40:47,450 --> 00:40:45,540
uh the the Nimitz uaps they spotted

1003
00:40:50,990 --> 00:40:47,460
these on the incoming ballistic missile

1004
00:40:53,150 --> 00:40:51,000
radar right in space they they went from

1005
00:40:54,349 --> 00:40:53,160
space down to surface level in a matter

1006
00:40:58,130 --> 00:40:54,359
of seconds

1007
00:41:00,130 --> 00:40:58,140
so even if we had some kind of a secret

1008
00:41:02,690 --> 00:41:00,140
project that could do that the the

1009
00:41:06,290 --> 00:41:02,700
acceleration would it wouldn't just kill

1010
00:41:08,270 --> 00:41:06,300
a pilot it would destroy any airframe it

1011
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:08,280
would just crumple it and even if they

1012
00:41:13,609 --> 00:41:10,079
had some kind of a super airframe that

1013
00:41:15,950 --> 00:41:13,619
could take it the the speed itself would

1014
00:41:17,930 --> 00:41:15,960
result in a massive Fireball and you

1015
00:41:21,170 --> 00:41:17,940
would end up ablating the surface of any

1016
00:41:22,970 --> 00:41:21,180
you know shielding that you had I mean

1017
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:22,980
it's kind of like the space shuttle

1018
00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:25,200
right but when you have something like

1019
00:41:30,530 --> 00:41:28,079
that come back in it has to come down at

1020
00:41:33,410 --> 00:41:30,540
a slower speed otherwise it will just

1021
00:41:36,109 --> 00:41:33,420
destroy itself you know and even

1022
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:36,119
meteorites same thing when they entered

1023
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:37,680
the atmosphere they're coming in fast

1024
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:39,359
they burn up that's why most of them

1025
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:41,280
don't hit the ground these things didn't

1026
00:41:47,089 --> 00:41:44,880
burn up so there there's technology that

1027
00:41:50,569 --> 00:41:47,099
is so far beyond

1028
00:41:52,930 --> 00:41:50,579
hours that it's not even close I don't

1029
00:41:57,050 --> 00:41:52,940
see this as being anything from Earth

1030
00:41:58,609 --> 00:41:57,060
and I think that may be John Ramirez has

1031
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:58,619
said that there there may be some kind

1032
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,480
of announcement in September maybe

1033
00:42:04,670 --> 00:42:02,400
that's the announcement maybe somebody

1034
00:42:05,930 --> 00:42:04,680
in government maybe the era will finally

1035
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:05,940
say look

1036
00:42:11,210 --> 00:42:08,480
these things can't be from Earth because

1037
00:42:13,790 --> 00:42:11,220
the the performance that's been reported

1038
00:42:16,430 --> 00:42:13,800
and documented it's it's not even close

1039
00:42:18,170 --> 00:42:16,440
right I mean just to give us an idea

1040
00:42:20,089 --> 00:42:18,180
then what are some of the most promising

1041
00:42:22,490 --> 00:42:20,099
Advanced propulsion Technologies

1042
00:42:23,690 --> 00:42:22,500
currently being researched you know by

1043
00:42:25,370 --> 00:42:23,700
us

1044
00:42:27,890 --> 00:42:25,380
well so there are a lot of different

1045
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:27,900
Avenues in gravity modification that are

1046
00:42:33,050 --> 00:42:30,480
being explored right and a lot of that

1047
00:42:34,190 --> 00:42:33,060
comes out of experimental stuff for

1048
00:42:39,370 --> 00:42:34,200
instance

1049
00:42:43,609 --> 00:42:39,380
one well-known one is back in 1989 uh Dr

1050
00:42:45,490 --> 00:42:43,619
evgeny poglanoff or Eugene poglanov he

1051
00:42:48,410 --> 00:42:45,500
indicated that a rotating superconductor

1052
00:42:50,690 --> 00:42:48,420
appeared to have a column of smoked lost

1053
00:42:53,450 --> 00:42:50,700
weight above it anything in this column

1054
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:53,460
right of of like steam above the

1055
00:42:57,770 --> 00:42:56,640
superconductor lost weight and they went

1056
00:43:00,109 --> 00:42:57,780
up to different floors in the building

1057
00:43:01,910 --> 00:43:00,119
and measured it you know he did

1058
00:43:04,370 --> 00:43:01,920
subsequent experiments with what he

1059
00:43:06,349 --> 00:43:04,380
called a force beam generator where he

1060
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:06,359
basically used a massive discharge of

1061
00:43:10,190 --> 00:43:08,400
electricity onto a superconductor and he

1062
00:43:12,890 --> 00:43:10,200
claimed that It produced a force being

1063
00:43:15,470 --> 00:43:12,900
capable of crumpling metal it was very

1064
00:43:18,530 --> 00:43:15,480
powerful but very brief as well

1065
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:18,540
so that's one area that a lot of

1066
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:20,880
research has been done there was a lady

1067
00:43:26,210 --> 00:43:24,240
named Dr ning Lee University Huntsville

1068
00:43:28,910 --> 00:43:26,220
and she worked on that for several years

1069
00:43:31,490 --> 00:43:28,920
I understand that she just passed of

1070
00:43:34,910 --> 00:43:31,500
cancer a couple years ago so her

1071
00:43:36,410 --> 00:43:34,920
research is presumably gone now and from

1072
00:43:39,530 --> 00:43:36,420
what I understand not much was

1073
00:43:42,170 --> 00:43:39,540
accomplished in the last few years but

1074
00:43:44,170 --> 00:43:42,180
so superconductors are definitely one

1075
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:44,180
area where there have been reports

1076
00:43:49,370 --> 00:43:47,520
another is B field Brown effect I

1077
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:49,380
understand there's a company called Ivo

1078
00:43:53,930 --> 00:43:51,839
that's actually Fielding something on a

1079
00:43:56,329 --> 00:43:53,940
space launch in this this month and

1080
00:43:58,849 --> 00:43:56,339
that'll be a big first it's this is

1081
00:44:01,130 --> 00:43:58,859
asymmetrical capacitance again the

1082
00:44:04,609 --> 00:44:01,140
befield brown effect which has been

1083
00:44:06,530 --> 00:44:04,619
dismissed as being eye on wind those

1084
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:06,540
things tend to go together it's very

1085
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:08,880
difficult to test them separately and so

1086
00:44:13,730 --> 00:44:11,280
a space test is one of the only ways to

1087
00:44:16,130 --> 00:44:13,740
test it without having air present to

1088
00:44:16,849 --> 00:44:16,140
write it off a Scion wind

1089
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:16,859
um

1090
00:44:21,950 --> 00:44:18,960
so that'll be interesting to see what

1091
00:44:24,109 --> 00:44:21,960
happens with as well another one is the

1092
00:44:28,130 --> 00:44:24,119
surl effect right which again goes back

1093
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,140
to I think the 1960s now John Searle has

1094
00:44:33,230 --> 00:44:30,240
been written off by so many people as a

1095
00:44:36,829 --> 00:44:33,240
charlatan you know it's it's humorous at

1096
00:44:39,470 --> 00:44:36,839
this point and yet everyone who builds a

1097
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:39,480
replication notices strange effects

1098
00:44:44,809 --> 00:44:41,760
there were a couple of researchers in

1099
00:44:48,890 --> 00:44:44,819
Russia Sergey Godin and Vladimir Roshan

1100
00:44:51,890 --> 00:44:48,900
who tested it in the 90s I believe and

1101
00:44:54,170 --> 00:44:51,900
they said that they saw self spin in

1102
00:44:56,569 --> 00:44:54,180
their case they weren't they they made

1103
00:44:59,690 --> 00:44:56,579
changes to their device compared to his

1104
00:45:03,050 --> 00:44:59,700
and so they weren't able to get what

1105
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:03,060
they were hoping for but basically what

1106
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:05,760
they reported in a scientific paper was

1107
00:45:09,849 --> 00:45:07,920
the onset of many of the same things

1108
00:45:12,770 --> 00:45:09,859
that Cyril had claimed happened

1109
00:45:15,190 --> 00:45:12,780
there was another experiment by Paul

1110
00:45:18,290 --> 00:45:15,200
Murad and John Brandenburg

1111
00:45:20,210 --> 00:45:18,300
in the early 2000 thousands and they

1112
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:20,220
reported seeing anomalous effects as

1113
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:22,800
well so you know that's that's yet

1114
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:24,960
another example

1115
00:45:28,849 --> 00:45:27,359
um a friend of mine Mark Sokol is

1116
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:28,859
working with something else entirely

1117
00:45:33,530 --> 00:45:32,400
which is epr or nuclear magnetic

1118
00:45:37,609 --> 00:45:33,540
resonance

1119
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:37,619
and that is the idea that basically if

1120
00:45:43,609 --> 00:45:40,560
you can align the nucleus of atoms you

1121
00:45:45,950 --> 00:45:43,619
may be able to utilize procession for

1122
00:45:48,050 --> 00:45:45,960
forward thrust and you may be able to do

1123
00:45:50,930 --> 00:45:48,060
other things as well depending on Whose

1124
00:45:52,730 --> 00:45:50,940
physics you subscribe to so

1125
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:52,740
um so that's something that that I think

1126
00:45:57,290 --> 00:45:55,440
is a very interesting and promising area

1127
00:45:59,150 --> 00:45:57,300
and I think we'll see more about that in

1128
00:46:00,890 --> 00:45:59,160
the next few months

1129
00:46:03,230 --> 00:46:00,900
um yeah I mean that's that's four

1130
00:46:05,930 --> 00:46:03,240
different ways and they're probably 50

1131
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:05,940
out there you know that are being

1132
00:46:10,010 --> 00:46:07,920
actively researched and hundreds more

1133
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:10,020
that have been talked about yeah I was

1134
00:46:12,829 --> 00:46:11,280
looking into it today doing some

1135
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:12,839
research and the amount that I came

1136
00:46:17,210 --> 00:46:15,599
across was was overwhelming as you said

1137
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:17,220
there were so many

1138
00:46:20,569 --> 00:46:18,720
um what's the what what are your

1139
00:46:23,210 --> 00:46:20,579
thoughts on the feasibility of warp

1140
00:46:26,809 --> 00:46:23,220
drive as a form of kind of uh you know

1141
00:46:30,890 --> 00:46:26,819
travel for for these objects well so Dr

1142
00:46:32,750 --> 00:46:30,900
Jack sarfati uh claims he he has what's

1143
00:46:34,510 --> 00:46:32,760
called the weightless warp drive he

1144
00:46:37,970 --> 00:46:34,520
claims that's exactly what they're using

1145
00:46:40,190 --> 00:46:37,980
there was a fellow named Thor I mean

1146
00:46:43,730 --> 00:46:40,200
thorsten he was a German fellow and he

1147
00:46:45,710 --> 00:46:43,740
created a website called UAP Theory

1148
00:46:48,410 --> 00:46:45,720
and sorry I'm trying to remember because

1149
00:46:51,950 --> 00:46:48,420
he he put the site up it was I'm not

1150
00:46:53,630 --> 00:46:51,960
sure if you ever saw it but for for a

1151
00:46:56,210 --> 00:46:53,640
period of about a year year and a half

1152
00:46:58,730 --> 00:46:56,220
it was almost like a Bible for warp

1153
00:47:01,790 --> 00:46:58,740
drive UAP warp drive I you know what

1154
00:47:03,770 --> 00:47:01,800
Vinnie I can send you a copy please and

1155
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:03,780
if if the audience emailed me I'll send

1156
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:05,760
them a copy as well

1157
00:47:09,770 --> 00:47:07,200
um

1158
00:47:11,690 --> 00:47:09,780
yeah I have I archived a copy the whole

1159
00:47:14,990 --> 00:47:11,700
site he what he did was he did close-up

1160
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:15,000
animated gifs of some of the things he

1161
00:47:19,730 --> 00:47:17,280
used the Aguadilla video

1162
00:47:22,010 --> 00:47:19,740
which is one of the su's better videos

1163
00:47:24,650 --> 00:47:22,020
yeah and again chose an object entering

1164
00:47:25,849 --> 00:47:24,660
the water and coming coming out it also

1165
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:25,859
shows

1166
00:47:33,890 --> 00:47:30,000
split in two and a lot of other

1167
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:33,900
interesting things so what he said was

1168
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:36,240
that was yeah that was a warp drive

1169
00:47:42,589 --> 00:47:40,079
which instead of pushing an aircraft

1170
00:47:45,710 --> 00:47:42,599
through you know instead of like a an

1171
00:47:49,069 --> 00:47:45,720
action reaction type of propulsion it's

1172
00:47:52,970 --> 00:47:49,079
changing the geodesic space right so

1173
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:52,980
basically it creates an area of higher

1174
00:47:57,230 --> 00:47:54,960
gravity above itself or in front of

1175
00:47:58,910 --> 00:47:57,240
itself and it falls into it it's

1176
00:48:02,510 --> 00:47:58,920
actually changing time space it's

1177
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:02,520
warping time space the AL QB air warp

1178
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:04,319
drive is probably the best known example

1179
00:48:08,510 --> 00:48:06,720
of this and there may be dozens of

1180
00:48:10,609 --> 00:48:08,520
variations on that that are out there

1181
00:48:12,410 --> 00:48:10,619
I've seen many different write-ups and

1182
00:48:14,990 --> 00:48:12,420
I've seen it explained in string and

1183
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:15,000
brain Theory and you know attempts at

1184
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:17,280
quantum theory so it's one of those idea

1185
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:19,440
is that everybody is kind of approached

1186
00:48:30,170 --> 00:48:27,770
Thor claimed that the UAP was using this

1187
00:48:33,470 --> 00:48:30,180
type of warp drive to actually warp time

1188
00:48:36,170 --> 00:48:33,480
and space as its form of propulsion and

1189
00:48:38,270 --> 00:48:36,180
anti-gravity and if that's the case they

1190
00:48:39,950 --> 00:48:38,280
very well could go faster than the speed

1191
00:48:42,290 --> 00:48:39,960
of light

1192
00:48:43,490 --> 00:48:42,300
um you know or or close enough to it

1193
00:48:45,410 --> 00:48:43,500
that

1194
00:48:47,450 --> 00:48:45,420
you know it would at the very least

1195
00:48:50,089 --> 00:48:47,460
radically change the way that we

1196
00:48:52,370 --> 00:48:50,099
perceive Interstellar trips or you know

1197
00:48:55,550 --> 00:48:52,380
trips between stars at least

1198
00:48:57,290 --> 00:48:55,560
uh one of the other things that he

1199
00:49:00,589 --> 00:48:57,300
thought he saw and this was the reason

1200
00:49:03,530 --> 00:49:00,599
that I I saved his sight was

1201
00:49:04,970 --> 00:49:03,540
um would the object splits in two he

1202
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:04,980
claimed that that was gravitational

1203
00:49:10,089 --> 00:49:07,680
lensing and when I looked at that I said

1204
00:49:13,849 --> 00:49:10,099
oh yeah because

1205
00:49:15,710 --> 00:49:13,859
if you're creating an area of changed

1206
00:49:18,349 --> 00:49:15,720
gravity if you're warping time and space

1207
00:49:20,089 --> 00:49:18,359
around the craft it's likely that that

1208
00:49:24,349 --> 00:49:20,099
will change light that's going through

1209
00:49:26,030 --> 00:49:24,359
it and so the object splitting in two it

1210
00:49:28,430 --> 00:49:26,040
may not have actually split in two it

1211
00:49:30,170 --> 00:49:28,440
may have just been a warping of what we

1212
00:49:33,770 --> 00:49:30,180
saw coming out of it because time is

1213
00:49:36,050 --> 00:49:33,780
Warped spaces warped so that intrigued

1214
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:36,060
me because one of these very common

1215
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:39,119
reports about UAP is well they change

1216
00:49:43,130 --> 00:49:40,079
shape

1217
00:49:44,930 --> 00:49:43,140
right or it was a sphere then it was an

1218
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:44,940
egg it was this it was that and I'm like

1219
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:48,000
maybe they didn't change shape maybe if

1220
00:49:51,710 --> 00:49:49,680
they're if they're using this warp drive

1221
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:51,720
maybe it just depends on where they're

1222
00:49:56,030 --> 00:49:54,240
going how you view them maybe it's a

1223
00:49:58,250 --> 00:49:56,040
sphere the whole time you know or a

1224
00:50:00,829 --> 00:49:58,260
saucer the whole time who knows

1225
00:50:03,170 --> 00:50:00,839
that's fascinating and you know to me

1226
00:50:04,550 --> 00:50:03,180
that that makes sense so I yeah that's

1227
00:50:07,010 --> 00:50:04,560
wonderful

1228
00:50:09,530 --> 00:50:07,020
um I think this is a great point of the

1229
00:50:11,930 --> 00:50:09,540
interview for you to tell us about Apec

1230
00:50:13,550 --> 00:50:11,940
ah okay well and I I appreciate you

1231
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:13,560
letting me plug it I've got as you can

1232
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:16,319
see on my screen's behind me yep during

1233
00:50:21,170 --> 00:50:18,240
the pandemic when we all thought we were

1234
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:21,180
going to die stockpiling toilet paper uh

1235
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:24,240
I was approached by Mark silkel and a

1236
00:50:27,770 --> 00:50:25,920
couple of other fellows and they said

1237
00:50:29,930 --> 00:50:27,780
Tim they said back in the day you used

1238
00:50:31,970 --> 00:50:29,940
to run this American anti-gravity and

1239
00:50:34,370 --> 00:50:31,980
they said we want to put on a conference

1240
00:50:37,309 --> 00:50:34,380
and you're the only person who can

1241
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:37,319
moderate it and and again at first I

1242
00:50:42,650 --> 00:50:39,599
turned him down I said you know UFOs

1243
00:50:45,050 --> 00:50:42,660
might be bad mojo you know I I was like

1244
00:50:46,849 --> 00:50:45,060
this I I'm not sure if the world is kind

1245
00:50:49,069 --> 00:50:46,859
of ready for this kind of a conference

1246
00:50:52,970 --> 00:50:49,079
and but they they were persistent they

1247
00:50:56,030 --> 00:50:52,980
came back and so so we started it and

1248
00:50:58,849 --> 00:50:56,040
the first couple of conferences were

1249
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:58,859
um it was insane and yet magical right

1250
00:51:03,470 --> 00:51:00,480
it was

1251
00:51:04,849 --> 00:51:03,480
and I think that the magic of aipac is

1252
00:51:06,530 --> 00:51:04,859
something that can apply probably

1253
00:51:07,849 --> 00:51:06,540
applies in the UAP Community it can

1254
00:51:11,210 --> 00:51:07,859
apply to a lot of different communities

1255
00:51:13,370 --> 00:51:11,220
where uh you have people who have been

1256
00:51:16,130 --> 00:51:13,380
interested in this and researching this

1257
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:16,140
for decades coming together to actually

1258
00:51:21,650 --> 00:51:18,960
talk all in the same place at the same

1259
00:51:23,569 --> 00:51:21,660
time for the first time and so for the

1260
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:23,579
first few of those you know we had some

1261
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:25,440
of the the real Old-Timers from that

1262
00:51:29,450 --> 00:51:27,359
Community they didn't know how to use

1263
00:51:31,790 --> 00:51:29,460
zoom they were new to the whole thing

1264
00:51:33,710 --> 00:51:31,800
and they were like oh my God I'm on a

1265
00:51:35,450 --> 00:51:33,720
conference and here are all of my heroes

1266
00:51:36,650 --> 00:51:35,460
here are all the people I talk to you

1267
00:51:37,370 --> 00:51:36,660
know

1268
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:37,380
um

1269
00:51:43,010 --> 00:51:40,800
so that's where Apex started and then we

1270
00:51:44,930 --> 00:51:43,020
leveraged our Network we leveraged

1271
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:44,940
connections and we started to get

1272
00:51:49,309 --> 00:51:47,040
presentations by various phds and

1273
00:51:52,490 --> 00:51:49,319
subject matter experts and we've tried

1274
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:52,500
to kind of grow things since then it was

1275
00:51:56,510 --> 00:51:54,240
called early on it was called the

1276
00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:56,520
Woodstock of anti-gravity and and I've

1277
00:52:00,650 --> 00:51:58,559
tried to kind of keep that you know

1278
00:52:03,710 --> 00:52:00,660
close to my heart where

1279
00:52:05,930 --> 00:52:03,720
um we cover a lot of UAP stuff probably

1280
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:05,940
half of the material in the conference

1281
00:52:11,930 --> 00:52:09,119
is related to UAP or about UAP wow and

1282
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:11,940
then the other half is more traditional

1283
00:52:17,690 --> 00:52:15,119
um by traditional again we've got warp

1284
00:52:19,730 --> 00:52:17,700
drives gravity modification a lot of

1285
00:52:22,730 --> 00:52:19,740
inertial propulsion off-center Rotator

1286
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:22,740
stuff people actually building things we

1287
00:52:26,809 --> 00:52:24,720
have lab time where people demonstrate

1288
00:52:28,849 --> 00:52:26,819
things they built

1289
00:52:30,829 --> 00:52:28,859
um so there's there's a lot going on

1290
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:30,839
there and

1291
00:52:36,290 --> 00:52:33,599
after probably about a six month Hiatus

1292
00:52:38,450 --> 00:52:36,300
we are restarting the conference a

1293
00:52:40,430 --> 00:52:38,460
slightly new format and we've

1294
00:52:42,230 --> 00:52:40,440
restructured things a little bit and

1295
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:42,240
then we're going to be doing basically a

1296
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:44,160
conference once a month and then kind of

1297
00:52:49,130 --> 00:52:47,040
an open mic session every two weeks and

1298
00:52:50,690 --> 00:52:49,140
that that allows these different parts

1299
00:52:53,450 --> 00:52:50,700
of the community I guess to interact

1300
00:52:57,049 --> 00:52:53,460
better because you have again you have

1301
00:52:59,930 --> 00:52:57,059
phds Engineers who are writing papers on

1302
00:53:03,530 --> 00:52:59,940
How to you know how it should be built

1303
00:53:05,930 --> 00:53:03,540
how uaps work things like that as well

1304
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:05,940
as people actually building things and

1305
00:53:09,470 --> 00:53:07,440
they don't always speak the same

1306
00:53:11,870 --> 00:53:09,480
language so having these two different

1307
00:53:14,569 --> 00:53:11,880
sessions lets them communicate in the

1308
00:53:16,510 --> 00:53:14,579
best way for them I guess wow that's

1309
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:16,520
amazing and are these open to the public

1310
00:53:24,049 --> 00:53:20,400
yeah yeah so I would urge I would urge

1311
00:53:28,010 --> 00:53:24,059
anyone to visit altpropulsion.com and

1312
00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:28,020
register for Apec we have a web form it

1313
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:30,300
goes to a secure email capture that's it

1314
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:32,160
we don't bam people we don't rent the

1315
00:53:36,950 --> 00:53:34,559
list anything like that we've been doing

1316
00:53:39,290 --> 00:53:36,960
that since I think the first six months

1317
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:39,300
of the conference uh

1318
00:53:42,770 --> 00:53:41,760
and what basically what we do is we send

1319
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:42,780
out

1320
00:53:50,450 --> 00:53:48,240
one like three or four days before and

1321
00:53:52,190 --> 00:53:50,460
then one day of just is kind of a last

1322
00:53:53,809 --> 00:53:52,200
minute hey you should be there and

1323
00:53:55,849 --> 00:53:53,819
that's about it other than that we we

1324
00:53:58,390 --> 00:53:55,859
really don't send much email in fact we

1325
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:58,400
probably should send more than we do but

1326
00:54:02,030 --> 00:54:01,200
I understand completely but yeah what

1327
00:54:03,770 --> 00:54:02,040
I'm going to do is I'm going to make

1328
00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:03,780
sure that all of the links of yours are

1329
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:05,520
in the description of this so people can

1330
00:54:09,770 --> 00:54:08,400
go and check it out I suppose before we

1331
00:54:11,630 --> 00:54:09,780
finish I just wanted to ask you if you

1332
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:11,640
have any more sort of UAP related

1333
00:54:15,290 --> 00:54:13,920
interviews coming up on your wonderful

1334
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:15,300
YouTube channel

1335
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:18,240
oh well thank you and and so yeah that's

1336
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:20,160
I mean I guess if people look up the Tim

1337
00:54:24,650 --> 00:54:21,839
Ventura interviews

1338
00:54:27,410 --> 00:54:24,660
um I've been trying to put them up as I

1339
00:54:30,349 --> 00:54:27,420
can I guess uh I'm talking with George

1340
00:54:34,430 --> 00:54:30,359
Knapp I would like to do one with him

1341
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:34,440
um Ross kohlhart I I I'm I'm in talks

1342
00:54:37,970 --> 00:54:36,000
with him although I understand he's on

1343
00:54:39,890 --> 00:54:37,980
vacation so he's been kind of slowing me

1344
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:39,900
down you know

1345
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:42,480
um so those are those are two that I'm

1346
00:54:47,210 --> 00:54:45,119
kind of working on but you know I I'm

1347
00:54:50,510 --> 00:54:47,220
trying to kind of continue digging as

1348
00:54:52,970 --> 00:54:50,520
well and I think these these recent

1349
00:54:55,130 --> 00:54:52,980
again the mosul sphere is interesting

1350
00:54:57,470 --> 00:54:55,140
for me that's that's really new I hadn't

1351
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:57,480
heard of that before the hearings and

1352
00:55:02,930 --> 00:55:01,440
this leaked radar data uh from this this

1353
00:55:04,790 --> 00:55:02,940
other ship

1354
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:04,800
um those are both kind of breaking news

1355
00:55:08,569 --> 00:55:06,720
stories and so I would love to try and

1356
00:55:10,190 --> 00:55:08,579
find more out about those and I'm sure

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all of us will I'm sure it'll make

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headlines you know absolutely well

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listen Tim thank you so much for joining

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me it's been a wonderful conversation I

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knew it was going to be

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um so yeah I really appreciate it thank

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you wonderful well Vinnie thank you as

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well my pleasure and thank you to

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everybody watching as always please

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